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The Proposal

President Obama recently signed into law a $787 billion stimulus package on top of Bush's grossly mismanaged $700 billion TARP bailout from last September. Several weeks ago, the Federal Reserve basically printed an additional $1,000,000,000,000 to inject more funds into the monetary system which will undoubtedly have the effect of diminishing the purchasing power of the dollar. Since last fall, the government has paid out trillions of dollars in bailouts, handouts, loans and giveaways, with no end in sight as our leaders try anything and everything to try and get our spiraling economy under control. While some of what Washington has already done may act to stimulate the economy, much of the trillions of dollars already spent will, no doubt, turn out to be just money wasted.
 
Tax rebate checks do not stimulate the economy - history shows that people either spend such rebates on paying off credit card debt, or they simply save them, doing little to nothing to stimulate the economy. Presumably, that is why they were removed from the final version of the stimulus bill. The tax cuts that were included, however, amount to a whopping $44 per month for the rest of 2009, decreasing to an even more staggering $33 per month in 2010. This is hardly "relief" as it is likely to help nobody.
 
The Wall Street financial institutions, auto manufacturers, insurance companies and countless other irresponsible actors have now received TRILLIONS of taxpayer dollars(as demonstrated above, that's a number with *12* zeros at the end of it) to bail them out of their self-created mess. This, too, does nothing to stimulate the economy. It merely rewards bad behavior and does nothing to encourage institutional change. There is a better way.
 
How many times have we heard from our leaders in Washington that education is the key to solving all of our underlying societal problems? The so-called "Silver Bullet." For decades, presidents, senators and members of Congress have touted themselves as champions of education, yet they've done nothing to actually encourage the pursuit of one on an individual level.
 
Some of us have taken advantage of Federal Stafford Loans and other programs, including private loans, to finance higher education, presumably with the understanding that an advanced degree equates with higher earning power in the future. Many of us go into public service after attaining such degrees, something that's also repeatedly proclaimed as something society should encourage. Yet, the debt we've accrued to obtain such degrees have crippled our ability to reap the benefits of our educations, causing many to make the unfortunate choice of leaving public service so as to earn enough money to pay off that debt.
 
Our economy is in the tank. There isn't a reasonable economist alive who doesn't believe that the economy needs stimulating immediately. The only debate now centers on how to go about doing it. While the new stimulus plan contains some worthy provisions, very little of it will have a significant and immediate stimulating effect on the economy. The Obama Administration itself doesn't expect to see an upsurge in the economy until mid-to-late 2010.
 
Instead of funneling billions, if not trillions of additional dollars to banks, financial institutions, insurance companies and other institutions of greed that are responsible for the current economic crisis, why not allow educated, hardworking, middle-class Americans to get something in return? After all, they're our tax dollars too!
 
Forgiving student loan debt would have an immediate stimulating effect on the economy. Responsible people who did nothing other than pursue a higher education would have hundreds, if not thousands of extra dollars per month to spend, fueling the economy now. Those extra dollars being pumped into the economy would have a multiplying effect, unlike many of the provisions of the new stimulus package. As a result, tax revenues would go up, the credit markets will unfreeze and jobs will be created. Consumer spending accounts for over two thirds of the entire U.S. economy and in recent months, consumer spending has declined at alarming, unprecedented rates. Therefore, it stands to reason that the fastest way to revive our ailing economy is to do something drastic to get consumers to spend.
 
This proposal would quickly revitalize the housing market, the ailing automobile industry, travel and tourism, durable goods and countless other sectors of the economy because the very people who sustain those sectors will automatically have hundreds or, in some cases, thousands of extra dollars per month to spend. The driving factor in today's economy is fear. Unless and until the middle class feels comfortable enough that they'll have their jobs, health insurance and extra money to spend not only next month, but the month after that, etc., the economy will not, indeed, cannot grow fast enough to stop the hemorrhaging.
 
Let me be clear. This is not about a free ride. This is about a new approach to economic stimulus, nothing more. To those who would argue that this proposal would cause the banking system to collapse or make student loans unavailable to future borrowers, please allow me to respond. I am in no way suggesting that the lending institutions who carry such debts on their balance sheets get legislatively shafted by having them wiped from their books. The banks and other financial institutions are going to get their money regardless because, in addition to the $700 TARP bailout, more bailout money is coming their way. This proposal merely suggests that in return for the trillions of dollars that has been and will continue to be handed over to the banks, educated, hardworking Americans who are saddled with student loan debt should get some relief as well, rather than sending those institutions another enormous blank check. Because the banks are being handed Trillions of dollars anyway, there would be no danger of making funds unavailable to future borrowers.
 
To avoid the moral hazard that this plan could potentially create, going forward, the way higher education in this country is financed MUST be reformed. Requiring students to amass enormous debt just to receive an education is an untenable approach, as demonstrated by the ever-growing student loan default rates. Having a loan-based system rather than one based on grants and scholarships or, ideally, public funding, has, over time, begun to have the unintended consequence of discouraging people from seeking higher education at all. That is no way for America to reclaim the mantle of the land of opportunity.
 
A well-educated workforce benefits society as a whole, not just the students who receive a higher education. It is often said that an undergraduate degree today is the equivalent of a high school diploma 30 or 40 years ago. Accepting the premise as true that society does, in fact, place the same value on an undergraduate degree today as it did on a HS diploma 30 or 40 years ago, then what is the rationale for cutting off public funding of education after the 12th grade? It seems to me that there is some dissonance in our values that needs to be reconciled. That, however, cannot come to pass until the millions of us already shackled with student loan debt are freed from the enormous economic burdens we're presently carrying.
 
Many of the vocal nay-sayers to this proposal seem intent on ignoring the fact that Washington IS going to spend trillions of dollars, likely in the form of handing blank checks over to more and more banks, as a way of getting the economy under control. Normative assessments of how things should be are fine, but they don't reflect reality. Accepting the premise that Washington will spend Trillions of dollars in unprecedented ways (a good portion of which will just be trial and error, since we're in uncharted waters), what is the argument against directly helping middle class people who are struggling, rather than focusing solely on the banks and other financial institutions responsible for crisis to begin with?
 
Further accepting that there is an aggregate amount of outstanding student loan debt totaling approximately $550 Billion, (that's Billion with a B, not a T), one is forced to ask again, what is the objection to helping real people with real hardships when all we're talking about is a relative drop in the bucket as compared with what will be spent to dig us out of this hole?
 
In a perfect world, I share these biases towards personal responsibility and having people pay back what they owe and making good on the commitments they've made. But we don't live in a perfect world and the global economy, not just the U.S. economy, is in a downward spiral, the likes of which nobody truly knows how to fix.
 
This proposal will immediately free up money for hardworking, educated Americans, giving them more money in their pockets every month, addressing the very real psychological aspects of the recession as much as the financial ones. Is it the only answer? No, of course not. But could it help millions of hardworking people who struggle every month to get by? Absolutely. Given the current economic climate, as well as the plans to spend trillions of additional dollars that are in the works, one must wonder what is so objectionable about giving a real helping hand to real people with real struggles.
 
2009 and the new Obama Administration is supposed to be about change. Nothing in the new economic stimulus package represents a significant departure from the way Washington has always operated - it's merely a different set of priorities on a higher scale, but it's certainly not materially different from any other economic stimulus package passed during the past few decades. Washington cannot simply print and borrow money to get us out of this crisis. We The People, however, can get this economy moving NOW. All we need is relief from debt that was accrued under the now-false promise that higher education equates with higher earnings.
 
Free us of our obligations to repay our out-of-control student loan debt and we, the hardworking, middle-class Americans who drive this economy will spend those extra dollars now.
 
If you believe that there's a better way of climbing out of this economic crisis, one that empowers us to directly spend money, start businesses, free up credit and create jobs, then please join this group and encourage others to do so as well. There's strength in numbers - the more people to join this group, the louder our voices and the greater the chances of being heard by President Obama and Congress.
 
Support real change we can believe in!

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The Defense budget is only

The Defense budget is only about 21% of the federal budget... None of your numbers are right at all, who are you expecting to convince with this claptrap? You can convince me "I'm a screaming liberal crybabby" with this but you can't convince me it will do diddly to improve the economy.

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Job killer

Eliminating student debt would cause over 30,000 people in the student loan industry to lose their jobs. There are Guaranty agencies providing and insuring the loans and non-profit companies that provide information and guidance to student loans. No student loans, no Guarantor agencies and some non-profits have to close their door. How is putting over 30,000 people out of work good for the economy?

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pure drivel

I am always amazed when banks use socialist drivel to get their way (keeping a bas government policy just to save job).

Also, debt collection is one of the most soul-sucking jobs ever. Call service work is bad enough alone, much less debt collection. These people could be providing other great services to actual people if the people were not so enslaved by debt.

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Spoken Like a True Sallie Mae Employee

That argument comes straight out of the lenders' campaign playbook and, quite frankly, holds no sway with me.  Opting not to help millions of struggling Americans who did nothing wrong so as to protect the jobs of 30,000 people who profited for decades off the backs of hard-working students is simply not an argument that will garner any sympathy with me or with any of the nearly quarter million people who support this cause.  What you're basically saying is that the millions of hardworking, middle-class student borrowers who are drowning in debt thanks to the exorbitant interest, fees and penalties your industry has piled on for years, should continue to allow themselves to be financially raped so that you and your employees can continue the raping of future generations.  Hardly a viable argument against this proposal.  Nice try though.

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That's Great!

Robert,

I don't think anyone can put it any better than that. Kudos to you and thanks for being a great spokesperson for the cause! I used to get really perturbed from the sympathetic posts for the lenders like the one above that quite obviously try to harbor any shredding of support for these corrupt institutions as possible. Now I realize, with the help of you and your members on FSLD, that these post are a perfect lay up for us to spike the ball right back at them - just as you have done and continue to do. Thanks much for your voice of reason and uncompromising stance on this issue that is only becoming more of a hot topic day by day!!

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I need assistance 10 years ago

When I went into collage it was with the idea that I would come out making enough money to make ends meet. Prior to collage I was raising two children by myself and living on $200 dollars a week. In order to go back to school I had to quit my job as my children were only 5 and 7 years old and full time school with full time work was impossible. Both my children were special needs. I started school in 1994 and went into the welfare system for 5 years. I only took 12 credits a semister and the first year was part time as I did try to work but it was too much and I really wanted to get through school so that I could provide for my children. I took out my first loan in 95 with the belief that when I graduated I would be able to repay that debt. I was surprised to find out that most jobs in my field did not pay what I believed initially they would pay. I graduated in 99 and soon began work as a crisis counselor. I was making about 11 dollars an hour. I am at the same job now making 14 dollars an hour. My children are grown now but I am still unable to pay my student loan debt. My debt started out @ around 19,000 dollars and is now almost $33,000. I did pay for a few years but as the loan had been sold a couple of times and I needed to go into deferrment. My bills continue to be more than my income and when I called the Student Loan people last May they told me that it would be the last time I would be able to defer or request hardship. I don't know what I am going to do. I have been doing this dance since I graduated college when my children were ages 12 and 14. I am thankful that they are now grown but it does not make things easier.

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Loan Forgiveness Versus Education

Ok, I think the people who took out Federal Loans and a percentage of personal loans plus a significant drop in interest on those personal loans should be forgiven. HOwever I think there needs to be more education in highscool to both parents, because they need updated if they went to college to get up with current times and students who have never had a significant debt in their lives about paying the loans back after school and how much it can end up costing total, not individual loans, say your total will be 20,000 dollars not well it's 2000 per semester, it adds up. Also do research before you go into a degree, is this degree worth it? I've seen people go to college to make minimum wage all together so they went into 80,000 dollar debt to make minimum wage??? doesn't make sense. I think colleges should also require a class for adults returning to college along the same lines and be required to do research about income and number of jobs. Too many colleges dump out people with degrees that there aren't enough jobs for, then we flood the market with individuals and then because those indivuals got an education it over qualifies them to do other potential jobs.

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I don't want a handout - I want a strong America!

The reason China is doing better than we are is partly because their government pays to give their citizens a worthwhile education. The reason Europe is doing so well is because many of their nations pay to give their citizens a worthwhile education. The nations that will do the best in the future will be the ones that choose to make that investment in their own citizens.

In 2000, my father told me that a college education would be an investment in my future. I thought that sounded like a good idea - so I decided to go to university, not only to learn a trade but, also, to be a better contributer to the overall society. Every year, as the debt piled on, he would continue to remind me that it was an investment. So I held the course! I finally graudated after 5 years (it takes longer for some people) ready to dig in and start working. For all my enthusiasm, what I found was that the people in charge of my debt cared nothing for my attitude towards making good on my investment. I had the hardest time consolidating my loans - even to this day they still aren't consolidated, even after going through all the applications. They have stalled applications in ordered to charge me higher interest rates, denied me forebearance even though I've qualified for it and have been relentlessly aggressive and kaniving in their collection efforts. What's more, I had to learn through several sources that most companies won't hire younger help unless they have debt so that they will remain loyal and not rock the boat, as it were.

I've thought about killing myself several time, gone through many sleepless nights not being able to stop worring and have absolutely no idea what I'm going to do for the future. And it's all because I didn't become a Wall Street speculator or a banker, because I didn't go to the right school or had ties to the right people.

I don't care what anyone who says that we should stop whining thinks about this because they are probably not in this kind of position. We, who have this debt, are the ones who chose to take a chance and try to contribute to the betterment of our country, even if we realized it or not. We are the ones who wanted more from life. We are the ones who wanted to participate in keeping America standing tall. And for all of you out there who think we are trying to sidestep the responsiblity of not being able to pay back our debt, I say to you that you are cowards. You can hide behind your quaint little facts and statistics you put forth to prove us wrong. But our actions are more just than your accusations - A more intelligent America is a stronger America. And we tried to keep it that way. Period!

Forgiving student loan debt to stimulate the economy is the best idea I've heard thus far. The pros far outweigh the cons, which can be better dealt with due to the resulting position in which our country would be. We are not animals - we can do whatever on which we set our minds. I have to believe we can change!

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Very well said!  Glad to have

Very well said!  Glad to have you aboard - and I hope you'll continue to articulate your thoughts and opinions on a wide array of topics here.

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How could this possibly work?

I've read quite a bit of this stuff, and also about people getting law degrees and how contrary to popular belief law pays pretty crappy but generally results in huge loans. I'm almost 40 and have also been amazed at how casually people these days take on 60k+ loans for 4 year degrees. Taking out loans used to be a big deal but whatever (thanks Mr. Greenspan). I can see that something needs to be done in regards to interest rates or bankruptcy or whatever.

However, despite Mr. Applebaum's insistence this isn't about a free ride, that's simply impossible to believe considering how incredibly self-serving this is.

Putting that aside though, how is this supposed to work? The government just either monetizes or borrows the $550 Billion or so needed, then pays the loan holders? What about next semesters loans? Does the student loan program just completely end? How would new students be able to borrow at all?

Then of course there are the incredible levels of unfairness this would unleash. Like, the person that is going to Harvard and racking up $50K a year in debt gets all that forgiven just like the person going to some community college who is only accruing $10k a year or perhaps none at all? Also, many people do actually work during college to pay for some or even all of it and this would be a complete slap in the face to them.

As far as impact, the economic impact wouldn't be $550 Billion since only a fraction is paid back a year anyway, something like 4%. So the impact of the $550 Billion expenditure would actually only be about $22 Billion of stimulus for the entire year and that's assuming the people choose to spend all of it.

Also, while the TARP and other bailouts have been repugnant, they are not handouts for the most part. The government is getting equity in the institutions that have been bailed out and many institutions have already repaid their TARP monies. Also keep in mind that TARP and the AIG loans were not meant to stimulate the economy, they were meant to keep the world's economies from completely collapsing into a black hole within a few days which was a lot more possible than most people really want to imagine.

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